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Ellen Ticket Noification Saving rhinos for future generations.
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Dear Ellen,

Hello everyone,

My biggest dream is to help my husband succeed with his mission to save rhinos for future generations. We need some help with the voices from all over the world to change the international law that's killing the rhino. Banning international trade in rhino horn creates the monopoly for illegal traders, where a horn is taken together with a rhino's life. It's time to change the law that's killing the rhino. Because, DONATIONS WON'T SAVE RHINOS, YOUR VOICE WILL!

WILL YOU CONSIDER TO HELP WITH A BOOK REVIEW FOR EACH RHINO THAT WE CURRENTLY PROTECT in 2017?
1535 REVIEWS/1535 RHINOS.

I decided to reach out to those who love reading, who enjoy life and who love animals.

So, here it is:

ONE DREAM STORY.

My name is Albina Hume. I am Ukrainian, married to a Scottish descendent in South Africa, John Hume, a property developer and the man who bred 1 000 rhinos.

From the age of 50 my husband dedicated his life and finances to breed and protect rhinos for future generations. John is 75 now. He currently provides care and security for 1 535 rhinos. This is more than Kenya’s rhino population, paid by one man for their protection!

People often ask me how I met John and married him despite our age difference of 36 years? To answer this question it took me 5 years to write a memoir in English, my third language, self-taught 10 years ago.

"Miss Fortune” made a finalist at the Kindle Book Awards 2016. It’s a story of finding love that has action, adventure, danger and romance. A story which may inspire others to live their dreams, not their fears.

One of my dreams is to see "Miss Fortune" turned into a movie, with Michael Douglas and Anne Hathaway in leading roles. To help this dream come true, I am here to ask for your help to reach my goal: 1 535 verified reviews for my memoir. These amount of reviews would bring attention to those who turn books into movies, which will help our voice for rhinos' future and make our mission successful. I must stress, we receive no donations for saving these archaic animals that survived for 14 millions years.

If you wish to become a part of ONE DREAM STORY, please :

1. Buy “Miss Fortune” on Amazon. Here's the link-
https://www.amazon.com/Miss-Fortune-Albina-Hume-ebook/dp/B00XPY2I4E

2. Read the book ( on average- 7 hours of entertainment ).

3. Post your review on Amazon ( only if you read the book!)
Thank you all for your support!
Albina Hume.
www.albinahume-missfortune.com
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Andrew
I have had the pleasure of meeting Albina and John and visiting one of their farms. It was the most heartwarming story to see how much time energy emotion and funds they have invested in to saving rhino. To see so many happy rhinos running free and doing so well is something I will never forget. There are few people (if any) who have risked as much for the rhino. Well done.
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Anyone with half a brain should see that John Hume is in it for the money why because it takes money to look after, feed and most importantly to safe guard these precious animal from the greed and disrespect of man and the ignorance of the killers whose only pleasure is killing anything for money.  So stop saying John Hume's only interest is money he is passionate about protecting the rhino and at least he is doing something and I notice now that a lot of game ranches are following his lead with or without the promise of selling these harvested horns!  Legalize the sale of rhino horn and help save them whatever is in practice now is not working so what do you have to loose in trying this at the very least!!!!
+5 votes
Jun 27, 2015
Jenna Davids 540 points
Now you see? That's the problem right there. Half a brain. You should really try and use a whole brain, perhaps that way you would come up with something halfway intelligent.
anonymous
just like people who breed cows sheep horses goats chickens the people who breed these animals make money from it ...these animals mentioned above....arent gonna be extinct in a few years ....we will never stop the killing of the rhino we can keep talking all we like...the chinese and japanese know that the less there are of a animal the more money they can sell it for...and they will never stop until they are all gone then they will start with the next  and keep goin...give them the rhino horn and we are left with a rhino that stays alive...dont give them the rhino horn they will take it and we are left with a rhino thats dead
+4 votes
Jun 28, 2015
Jenna Davids 540 points
And perpetuate a bogus myth that rhino horn cures all sorts of insane stuff, including cancer? Have you lost your marbles? Get real please. The fact that some idiot claimed it cured his cancer should have warning bells attached to it. Someone please hurry to the cancer foundation and tell them we have a cure for the dying.
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Yes, I am sure the cancer council will be filled with joy with this breakthrough - Not! I can see the Anonymous poster doesnt actually know the reality of the Rhino slaughter - "Japan" isnt a key player, it is Vietnam first and China. I have been involved in farming my entire life. Rhino are not cattle, sheep and chickens. These animals were chosen and domesticated over thousands of years as a source of food, milk, fibre. They excluded Rhino and that is how it existed for 1000's of years. That is until a recent minority group could see a dollar in it. A big dollar! What about the wild Rhino of the African content and spread throughout Asia not in farms? Suddenly poachers and crime syndicates are going to leave them alone because there is a legal trade in farmed horn from Rhino farms??? China saved its Giant Panda almost over night by ending trade with a strong and well planned agenda and the Panda is the WWF's logo because of this conservation success. There are many very dedicated people out there working to end trade and making inroads into Vietnam and china. They are being heard. Yet now we have a small group of people wanting to kick them in the guts and destroy this. I am continually amazed at greed out there, the levels it operates at and where it comes from. Anything for a dollar and we will dress it up as conservation to sell it...
UTIZ
Legal trade  is the  best way  forward  for sound/pragmatic rhino  conservation  in Africa.  You anti-trade  idiots should be ashamed of yourselves,and should offer  thnx/praise/ compassion, to all the great conservation success they had on their private reserve in SA. They have  both  Black and white rhinos  there,and those most in  a  private  reserve in all  Africa,with  no help  from you and your  hateful  ilk ! You and your  anti-trade  propagaganda,only fuels  more poaching  for the  African Rhinos   .
+3 votes
Jun 27, 2015
Jenna Davids 540 points
News flash, the ban was put in place on purpose. Google it, ask someone why, if you don't know, but please, for the love of all that is holy, research before you utter another word. Anti trade idiots? We are upholding the law. What are you doing???
Ashley Tribulato 640 points
I have seen their ranch in South Africa firsthand, and they truly care for the rhinos.
+3 votes
Jun 28, 2015
Anne12 380 points
Dear all,
Let us please start with some basic questions. If you don't know the answers to them, please find out, ask or keep quiet and donate. Time or money.
1. How long does it take for a rhino horn to grow back? (assuming the rhino is alive)
2. How much does it cost to keep a rhino per annum?
 The next 2  questions are fun questions.
3. How much money does John make keeping the rhino on his farm? As most people here assume he is in it for the money.
4. If I give you 1000 rhinos for free, how long will you survive financially? And will you loose your life, a family member's, a staff or a rhino first? Some one is going to die, all I ask is for you to pick one.
Then 2 bonus questions.
5. How many rhino's has John bred in comparison with any National park, that is incl the Kruger?
6. How many rhinos has John lost compared with any National park?

And then my personal favourite- other than criticism, how much does John receive from any source other than his own funding, eg donations, government, charities?

So if you are not helping or don't have the basic understanding, can you please please please at least stop stabbing the one person that has bred and protected more rhinos than the whole of South Africa, sorry I mean the World has?

Kind regards
Anne Ferreira
+3 votes
Jun 28, 2015
Janine Westerweel 170 points
Well done Anne. This should become a standardized questionnaire to all those out there who love to spew emotional rhetoric without knowing the people, the real cause, or the true facts. And maybe, John and Albina, it's time to put it out there for those who don't know: answer questions 2 & 3 yourselves - exactly how much it costs you annually to conserve this species, of your own money, without a hope of getting anything back. Because that is the harsh reality. It really saddens me, the way the anti-traders harp on about the "greedy breeders" only thinking of themselves and only wanting to make money out of legalizing trade. In actual fact, those of us who are pro trade have realized that nothing else is working and that since this species can survive and still supply a demand WHILE THEY CONTINUE TO LIVE (unlike other species) surely that must be the solution? The anti-traders have this very scary "Over my dead body" attitude to allowing any other solution. Sadly, they have the luxury of saying this. Our Rhinos don't, since it will be over THEIR DEAD BODIES that this is allowed to happen.....
Jenna Davids 540 points
Dear Anne

I see your 2 basic questions and raise you 2 of my own …

1.    How long does it take for a rhino horn to grow back? (assuming the rhino is alive) – Interesting that you should add the part in brackets, because my question to you is this … How high is the risk of using M99 to dart the rhino to hack it's horn off? Everyone in conservation circles knows how lethal that stuff is to both human and animal, if you give an animal too much, you kill it. How many rhino have been killed this way? Anyone have stats on that? For those of you who don't know, and to humour Anne, it takes 3 years for a horn to grow back at an average of 100mm per annum.

2.    How much does it cost to keep a rhino per annum? … $5000 per annum. What's your point? If you cannot afford to keep rhino because you LOVE them, then farm cattle or sheep. You do have these options available to you.

Now for the fun questions …

1.    How much money does John make keeping the rhino on his farm? As most people here assume he is in it for the money. … Let me quote you from the horses mouth - “None and I will not make any without the legalization of rhino horn trade.” and “From other businesses. Although if it were legal to sell rhino horns we could turn a profit on this as well.”  Oh and let's not forget this one “We live in a world where we need to accept that conservation will only be successful when people stand to gain from it on socio-economic levels.”  And this one too “We need to get legalization quickly in order for this to become profitable.”  Sorry, what was your question again???  (Of course he is not in this for the money, perish the thought, his motivations are purely altruistic!!!) (Insert eye roll here).

2.    If I give you 1000 rhinos for free, how long will you survive financially? And will you loose your life, a family member's, a staff or a rhino first? Some one is going to die, all I ask is for you to pick one.  … It would be highly irresponsible to give me 1000 free rhino's as I am not financially equipped to protect them, but we digress. Why on earth would you want to have such a huge target for poachers on your farm, thereby risking someone LOSING their life. This was a really silly question but you did say it was a fun one.

Now for your 2 bonus questions …

1.    How many rhino's has John bred in comparison with any National park, that is incl the Kruger? … John has approximately 900 odd rhino's, give or take a few births, few deaths (M99 from dehorning) and a few more deaths (poaching). Still don't see the point of this question, rhino breed in the wild naturally in our Parks, having them on a farm is not going to make them copulate faster.

2.    How many rhinos has John lost compared with any National park? … I don't know, John, how many rhino have you lost? I can go back in my stats and have a gander but it is too much effort. Tell us, how many rhino have you lost? Please also bear in mind, that John, as a private rhino owner, financially equipped to protect his rhino, does not have the crime and corruption factor that our lovely government has. Just saying.

In closing, dear Anne, I think you over-estimate John Hume's role in breeding and protecting rhino in South Africa, oh sorry, I mean the whole world. It is quite apparent that you are his #1 fan. Yay for John!! My only wish is that his part in the pseudo hunting scam could be exposed! Then the rhino he's bred are cancelled three times over at least, when you add up all the rhino lost to poaching since demand was re-stimulated deliberately. But obviously he will deny knowing anything about it, even though he was buying rhino at auction and delivering them to Groenewald who was involved in the pseudo hunting game. (And yes, we have the paper trail to prove it.) And we all, in the conservation circles, KNOW that is exactly when our poaching epidemic started. Didn't it? You paint a pretty picture of John Hume, but in reality, the picture is pretty ugly. He's actually got such a cheek to portray himself as a saviour of rhino when all he's doing is breeding them for profit and encouraging demand for keratin!

Just for the record, I donate a huge amount of my time to the plight of our rhino, just in case you were interested. Now here is some homework for you to do, go and find out why the ban was put in place in the first instance before you come back here and make invalid, inconsequential statements and ask stupid questions. Nuff sed.
Jane
Why don't you just enlighten us all and put us out of our misery then??!!

Breed rhino all you want but you can't start de-horning until they are around 5 and even then it's just a stump.  You won't get anything worth selling until they are at least 10.  Hume will benefit because he has large quantities of rhino but what about smaller conservancies that don't and can only de-horn once every three years?  How much will they stand to make.  Sweet F.A.  Pro-trade is fueling the poaching and the DEA are so laid back they are almost falling over.  Tell me please.  What is the difference between a legal trade under a corrupt government and an illegal one run by syndicates?  Absolutely nothing that's what.  Your reaction to other comments on here, valid opinions is just the same  as all the others who support pro-trade - condescending and irrational
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Very well said Jenna Davids....
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Well stated Jane. Over these recent days watching Mrs Hume using Ellen to promote her family business agenda, with the support of their personal friends, I have noticed several things arise. They do not deal with facts and when presented facts or an issue, they have no capability to respond to it. I notice in their pro trade posts - The Humes are referred to as Rhino Breeders [as Mrs Hume has stated], but not as conservationists. The lands their rhinos roam are referred to as a Ranch or Farm, but not a conservation reserve or sanctuary. This speaks volumes! Mrs Hume wants to "change a law that is killing the Rhino"? A law supported globally and as is being witnessed this very day outside of this Ellen site, support for No trade is sitting at 96% ... Demand for Rhino Horn in traditional Chinese medicine is what is killing the Rhino! No demand, no trade. People think they are reinventing the wheel, without a simple grasp on reality. This mass slaughter being witnessed today is a recent phenomenon and it is aggressively magnified because of $$$$$. I read a recent report from rangers working in Kruger. To quote a statement - "Poaching Rhino is low risk, low cost and high return". This same slaughter is sweeping its way across the world - Elephant, Tiger, Bear, Pangolin, Whale Shark and so on and so on. It has all escalated over a similar time span and the market destinations are related, if not the same... I feel so sorry for the concerted effort people are putting in to end the wildlife body part trades. Those in China, Vietnam, India, Nepal, Africa and every other country in between. The pro traders are working to undermine them. For a dollar! One concession is - the pro traders are a minority out there and following surveys and articles they are not increasing in numbers...
TanyaJ 290 points
I am a Nature Conservation student, a South African and a passionate wildlife-lover with many years of hands-on wildlife experience. I have worked closely with the Humes before,  know them well and I applaud everything they are doing for rhinos despite the volatile and antagonistic response they receive from a largely misinformed and society.
At a time when a distant and largely ignorant community is dictating the fate of an entire species, based on politics, bureaucracy and misguided opinions, the Humes are some of the few individuals left that are actually, physically doing something about keeping rhinos safe, healthy and alive, without begging for funds that disappear into a bottomless pit of donations that rarely ever actually go to keeping rhinos safe.
The debate on horn trade legalisation is complex and unique and cannot be compared to diamonds, guns, drugs or even ivory. Rhino horn is a sustainable and renewable resource that can be removed by a veterinarian without causing any harm to the rhino. The horn regrows and a single rhino can produce a number of horns in its lifetime. It is absolutely ridiculous and pathetic that rhinos are being brutally slaughtered for a single horn.
Any true animal or wildlife-lover will be standing on their soapbox, calling for any measure and means that will keep these beautiful animals alive and wandering the African bushveld for generations to come.
The sooner the horn trade is legalised, the better, as it will encourage more and more people to keep, protect and breed rhinos, eventually leading to minimised pressure on our wild rhinos.
Before making derogatory comments about people and their attempts to help rhinos, based on the opinions of Facebook friends, go and meet them and spend a little time among the gentle giants they protect. Hear their story. Walk their path for a day or two.
Before jumping up and down with opinions on wildlife management and conservation in an ever-demanding and consuming world (of which you are all a large part), become informed, at a deeper level than what Facebook and funding-based organisations organisations are portraying. Greed is disguised in many forms.
Ultimately, ask yourself what would be best for our rhinos, keeping in mind that not legalising an international trade in horn has been absolutely, catastrophically and devastatingly disastrous for them.
If you still can't or won't get your head around that, ask yourself this: With rhinos around the world having already run out of time at an alarming rate, surely it's worth a desperate, final shot to save the ones left here?
How sad it would be to have to admit that we failed the rhino because we refused to do anything differently...
+3 votes
Jun 28, 2015
Janine Westerweel 170 points
Perfectly put, Tanya.
anonymous
Worth any support! Legal, well regulated trade seems the only hope for rhino and may encourage more farmers to replace cattle by rhino and other wildlife!
+2 votes
Jun 26, 2015
anonymous
The pro-trade lobby has tried to justify rhino horn trade in economic terms. These justifications are based on flawed & dangerous assumptions and often proposed by those with a vested financial interest in trade.
 
Legalizing trade will prevent poaching - On the contrary, legalizing trade has the potential to increase poaching to unsustainable levels by increasing demand and potentially even raising prices which will see a decline in rhinoceros populations. At face value, legalizing trade could bring much needed funding to South African National Parks and reserves. Notwithstanding the real risks and unintended consequences it would be morally reprehensible, highly irregular and irresponsible to promote trade at anytime into the foreseeable future before other more sustainable sources of revenue are thoroughly investigated.
 
Demand will remain stable - Advocates of legalized trade predict that free trade will increase supply to such an extent that prices will drop. This prediction relies on a dangerous assumption that demand will not grow significantly in the future and that there is enough horn to satisfy demand. When illegal markets are legalized, new consumers enter the market thereby increasing demand, possibly even raising prices. The incentive to cease illegal trade fails when prices rise. The truth is, demand data is inaccurate or unknown, and arguments about lowering prices by increasingly supply only hold true if demand is predictable.
 
All trade will be legal - Advocates of trade suggest that legal rhino horn sold through a Centralized Selling Organization (CSO) will eradicate illegal trade on the black market. However, restrictions on market participants and the quantities sold will drive those excluded from legal horn trade underground. The black market will not be subject to any taxes and /or levies and will thus enjoy greater profitability. The notion that legalizing trade will eliminate illegal trade displays an ignorance of how organized crime works and is naïve at best.
 
On this basis alone any formal consideration of legalized trade is misguided, dangerous and could lead to increased demand and, ultimately, the extinction of the rhinoceros in the wild.
 
We call on the government of South Africa to take the precautionary route and reject any changes to the current annotations as set out in CITES Appendix II relating to the SA population of white rhino and not permit ANY commercial trade in rhino horn.
Kelly Pretorius 880 points
Often those in support of a legal rhino horn trade point to the Kimberley Process of tackling "blood diamonds". A report from a Panel of Experts on the conflict in Central African Republic demonstrates that the Kimberley Process is not as effective as thought and is pretty weak when it comes to trying to end the trade in conflict or blood diamonds.  Supporters of South Africa’s push to legalize rhino horn trade are fond of saying that the position is one of economics - but expert scrutiny reveals that the “rhino-nomics” theory is simplistic, flawed, and based on naïve textbook concepts.
carol
Sadly pro-trade will only bring the demise of the Rhino much sooner.  Legalization of trade has not stopped poaching ever - if anything once trade has been legalized poaching has increased in that commodity.  If we took time to do research regarding trade we would soon seen how detrimental legalization would be to the remaining rhino populations. My personal opinion to call for legal trade is motivated by mans greed and not in any way related to saving a species.
anonymous
A cause certainly worthy of support. Legalization of the sale of rhino horns exclusively from harvest horns, without the dreadful slaughter should merit immediate attention. Lealized farms should receive some official financial support towards survaillance equipment, and possible staff. In an ideal world, humankind would not be using rhino hron at all but I reckon that is too far fetched for many hearts. So at least put a proper legislation in place.
Cristina Silva
+2 votes
Jun 28, 2015
Natali Koval. Kyiv. Ukraine.
Dear Mankind!
It is not enough to put your likes on Facebook when you see that something bad happens near us.
If we all don't make any action now, tomorrow such huge species as rhinos, lions, elephants, whales... Will be gone.
It is hard to notice a small type of an incekt disappear. But if the big ones go, they cause irrversible changes on the planet.
I do support The Humes in their life mission to keep more rhinos on the Planet Earth.
They need the support of the community. Let's   be the thinking community that cares.
+1 vote
Jul 1, 2015
Kelly Pretorius 880 points
Hello Ellen and everyone, my name is Kelly Pretorius and I am senior administrator of Save Our Rhino on Facebook. Every single day I see the decimation of our national heritage, our precious rhino, perpetuated by the demand for a bogus traditional medicine from the East. Not only are they using their horn as medicine, but it is also being used as a status symbol and carved into libation cups and dagger handles, or just left whole to sit on a mantlepiece to display wealth.

It is astounding that there are people in South Africa, perhaps encouraged by government Ministers, private rhino owners and pseudo-economists, who think that the best way forward to defeat the rhino poachers operating freely in my country, is a fanciful scheme to trade rhino horns on the open market.

This proposal for legalizing trade is based on nothing more than a wish to cash in on eye-watering profits that a single kilo or pound of rhino horn can bring. Rhino horn these days, weight for weight, is worth more than gold and cocaine – but only on the backstreet illegal markets of Laos, Vietnam and China. Possession and sale of rhino horn products have actually been illegal in those countries since 1994.

The pro-trade movement is currently confined to South Africa, but there might be some support from Namibia and Zimbabwe to cash in on the potential windfall. The South African government wants to put this proposal to CITES (the Convention on the International Trade of Endangered Species of Flora and Fauna) and has organized a concerted campaign to make this happen ever since 2012. But such trade requires a “partner” in Asia who will agree to allow commerce in a currently illegal product. This is not likely to happen given the overwhelming public mood in countries like Vietnam and China where people are beginning to wake up to the massive destruction of Africa’s wildlife that their demand for products has created. A positive CITES vote needs a 2/3 majority of member states to the Convention, and already South Africa will struggle to bring a handful of positive votes to the table.

Nevertheless, there is no doubt that Asian countries like China and Vietnam have been responsible for the huge demand in rhino horn products that has caused prices to rise through the roof. These countries and others in the region have always wanted rhino horn. The trade is centuries old. But the demand has never been as big as it is now – most likely fueled by a massive growth of disposable income among Vietnamese and Chinese people.

South Africa has only recently become the target of rhino horn poachers. South Africa must realize and acknowledge that before they became a haven for poachers, rhinos were already being eradicated in Zimbabwe, Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Botswana, Namibia – in fact all across the African continent. And don’t forget Asia – Vietnam’s last one remaining indigenous rhino was poached a few years ago, and poaching has destroyed rhino populations in Indonesia, Malaysia, India and other countries where Asian rhinos occur.

South Africa is just one country experiencing the consequences of the illegal rhino horn trade. Therefore, as South Africa still contains a relatively large population of both white and black rhinos, this country should be positively and constructively engaged in finding ways forward to stem the trade. Legalizing the trade is the most nonsensical way forward to promote conservation of rhino species worldwide.

It should be noted that South Africa has long been engaged in a “semi-legal” trade of rhino horns. South African authorities allowed a “national” trade of rhino horns that “somehow” managed to enter the international black market. South African authorities allowed “pseudo hunting” of rhinos – a process whereby “hunters” were recruited even from the ranks of local Thai *** workers, who were given permits by local authorities to export their derived horns. South African private rhino horn owners have “suffered” many thefts of their horn stockpiles supposedly secured in safes.

In short, South Africa has been feeding and encouraging the demand for rhino horns even though such trade is illegal. South Africa is therefore not a country in any way to be trusted with any sort of legal trade in rhino horns. South Africa is a country that is unfortunately engaged in a high level of corruption which will not suit any means of ensuring that the proposed “legal” rhino horns involved in trade will not come from poached animals.

In addition, many individuals in South Africa now want to legally trade rhino horns from their private stocks. This cannot happen under CITES regulations despite what our government tells them. It is all a mess and a muddle that any sane person should reject. It is aimed at short-term profit taking rather than a coherent plan to conserve rhinos. Private rhino owners have not, to date, shown to have been in any significant way involved in rhino “conservation” but rather, most engage in profit taking from a species that has become a convenient commodity.

As a last issue to consider, in the highly unlikely event that legal rhino horn sales were to be allowed by CITES on the international market, profits made should not benefit individuals or Government officials, but rather be ploughed into legitimate and registered rhino conservation programs.

Given South Africa’s complete failure to implement similar programs for elephants when CITES allowed them a “one-off” sale of ivory most recently in 2008, why should we then believe that a rhino horn sale will benefit rhinos? A legal trade in rhino horns will never conserve a single rhino, but will instead open up the market floodgates and consumers who have never used rhino horn before, will want to buy them. Encouraging demand by legalising trade of rhino horn will simply mean that no rhino will ever be safe in the wild again.

What is needed is international resolve, a commitment to stop what can only be described nowadays as state sponsored poaching, and a rejection by all who now have rhino horn stockpiles to see those as in any way “valuable”. Demand reduction campaigns in user countries need to be implemented on a national basis, shame campaigns need to go viral, as they did for the fur trade and a horn devaluation programme, through the pioneering Rhino Rescue Project needs to be implemented immediately, rendering the horn useless to consumers.

I am really hoping you will be able to help me get the word out there about the current poaching crisis we are facing in my beautiful country. Our rhino are running out of time and it won't be too long before they are all gone. In a desperate attempt to conserve them, our government are shipping them out to other countries they are not indigenous to. This is going to have a hugely negative impact on our ecosystem eventually. Please help me save our rhino!

+1 vote
Jul 5, 2015
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Kelley, your post and video are very powerful, very truthful, gut wrenching, from the heart and so very real. I hope you dont mind me sharing this. You have it in a nutshell and it needs to be seen... Thank you.
Shirley Aung 240 points
It is shameful that Nation of Ellen DeGeneres is being used as a platform to push for the trade of rhino horn to be legalised.
In the first place some rhino owners, who are breeding hundreds of rhino to harvest horn for trade, have already proved that they are not trustworthy enough to be involved with trade of rhino horn. The illegal market was opened up around 2005, by unscrupulous breeders who re stimulated demand for rhino horn in Vietnam by finding a way to get rhino horn onto the illegal market there. Rhino were bought at auction and delivered to farms where pseudo hunters were invited to 'hunt' them and sell their 'Rhino Horn Trophy' on the black market in Vietnam - this during an International Ban on Trade of Rhino Horn!  Traffickers were attracted and from 9 rhinos poached in 2001 numbers of rhino killed suddenly climbed to 36 in 2006, 83 in 2008 - 122 in 2009 when alarm bells rang and the scam was exposed. A ban was then placed on domestic trade of rhino horn but the gate was closed with well connected Traffickers on the inside. Poaching stats have kept climbing year on year and there seems no urgency to stop it. Last year over 1,200 rhino were killed by poachers. The problem is that corrupt officials and insiders are involved which makes it extremely difficult to fight. Poachers are arrested but many are released and besides there is a never ending stream waiting to take their place. Because corruption is so deeply entrenched, and Wildlife Trafficking is so widespread poaching in Africa will never stop untill demand ends.
The market in Asia alone would be insatiable - and demand will return from the Middle East and grow worldwide if trade is legalised, prices fall and the stigma of buying rhino horn products is removed. Orders will be placed over the Internet from Chinese Traditional Medicine outlets in all big cities, the 'designer cocktail' market will take off - many new products will be produced and pushed - as cures for hangovers, impotence, cancer ... you name it! Additives will make it seem that rhino horn really works when it's actually consists mainly of keratin and is as effective as chewing your fingernails. So why push the use of rhino horn when it has no medicinal properties, will not make you as strong as a rhino and will not bestow good fortune on your life. It will simply lighten your wallet considerably, endanger the lives of brave Rangers and cause the extinction of magnificent wild rhinos across their range. Poaching will not stop if trade is legalised either.  There are millions of millionaires who will order wild rhino horn - with the base intact  - as it is considered far more potent and valuable. Why would they buy farmed or fake when traffickers can deliver a 'far superior product'? And how could tade in such a vast market ever be effectively policed? Will every house in Asia - or the world for that matter - be searched to see if anyone has purchased illegally poached rhino horn products? Why not simply call on the consumers, who have started to purchase rhino horn again, to stop because it is a myth that rhino horn has power to heal or bestow good fortune and strength. Stop buying it to end demand so that wild rhino can be safe in the wild where they belong. They are key species that have vital roles to play in maintaining balance in wild Eco systems. They should not all have to be moved onto farms for their safety!  Encouraging demand by legalising trade of rhino horn will mean that no rhino will ever be safe in the wild again - without constant, very costly protection. Ending demand - through devaluation programmes pioneered by Rhino Rescue Project - working in conjunction with well targeted demand reduction campaigns - would help in the fight to stop poaching - being fought by brave Rangers night and day. Besides it would not be ethical to sell a product under false pretences.
0 votes
Jul 3, 2015
Albina Hume 4,650 points
To help the rhino it's good to have some basic understanding of the history of rhino conservation in South Africa. This video from the world's top experts of African wildlife management and conservation.
Cam Steele 1,210 points
The Scientific American – “experts and conservation organizations say the sale would do little more than feed the growing desire for rhino horns and make the situation much, much worse in the long run.
History backs them up on this point. Similar one-off sales of ivory to Japan in 1999 and China in 2008 have been linked to the resultant increased demand for ivory in Asia, which has driven elephant poaching across Africa to crisis proportions in the past decade. At the time, proponents of those sales said flooding the market with stockpiled ivory would lower prices and therefore eliminate the incentive to poach more elephants. The opposite happened and prices soared. South Africa now argues that putting more than 18,000 kilograms of rhino horn up for sale would glut the market, lower prices and save more rhinos. This is an argument we have heard before.”
“any legal rhino horn market only supports the misconception that this keratinous body part has medicinal qualities. In China and especially Vietnam rhino horn powder is sold as a cancer cure and an after-party drug to remove hangovers. Rhino horns have no such abilities. Why support the misplaced economic value of something that has no practical function for humans, and why support the utterly false belief that rhino horn could cure desperately sick people of their cancer? As WildAid Executive Director Peter Knights wrote on the organization's blog, "Legitimizing and promoting demand for rhino horn would inevitably create a far larger consumer base and once this genie is out we could never re-cork the bottle if the experiment went wrong."
“So, would legalizing rhino horn trade put an end to poaching? I doubt it. Putting a "well-regulated trade system" in place would probably take years and high levels of international cooperation. Meanwhile the criminal mechanisms already exist to poach and smuggle rhino horn and it seems highly doubtful that they would transition to a legal system; instead, they would continue to kill and smuggle through existing channels while the news that rhino horns were about to become legal served to increase their market.”
Cam Steele 1,210 points
National Geographic 2015 - “Many rhino horn trade advocates tout the Andean vicuña—an iconic South American mammal in the camel family that's related to llamas, alpacas, and guanacos—as an example of successful conservation through sustainable use. The vicuña has been valued for thousands of years for its soft, fine wool.
Excessive hunting for European markets drove vicuñas to the brink of extinction in the 1960s. The animals were usually shot and the fleeces sheared off their carcasses.
In the early 1970s, CITES—which regulates the global wildlife trade—and the countries where the vicuñas range in the wild took measures that included a ban on trade in their wool, putting them on a path to recovery. By the 1990s, their numbers had rebounded to more than 200,000 (most of them in Peru), and regulated legal trading in wool resumed.
Back then, ecologist Cristian Bonacic, of Pontifical Catholic University of Chile, in Santiago, was at the forefront of developing best practice guidelines for sustainable, ethical use of vicuñas.
once again, poaching and illegal trading are threatening them.
Bonacic says that although inherent differences between rhinos and vicuñas mean that "sustainable" management practices of the two species would differ in detail, there are broad parallels between the two—and that lessons learned over the years with vicuñas apply to rhinos.
Speaking from his university office, Bonacic explains his recent shift away from the notion of sustainable use of wildlife, why a legal trade in vicuña wool has led to more—not less—poaching, and why he thinks a legal trade in rhino horn could be catastrophic for the species.
According to the sustainable use paradigm, if wildlife can be used, it can be saved. This means that farming of wild animals and their conservation are explicitly interlinked. The idea was that if you can provide income to local communities from sustainable use of a wild animal, this will exclude illegal poaching. And indeed, the trend in the '90s did prove this approach successful in a number of places with a number of species. In Chile, we followed this paradigm like a religion.
But the world has changed, and many indigenous communities are now much more globalized. There are many more roads, many more exchange routes, including the Internet, which allows you with one click to buy something banned in one country and not in another. The romantic view that local communities can use an animal sustainably is simply no longer feasible in the 21st century.”
Cam Steele 1,210 points
“Rhino horn has also become a ‘Veblen good’ says Daniel Stiles, an independent wildlife trafficking consultant who works with various anti-poaching NGOs and the UN. This is a commodity that grows more desirable the more expensive it becomes. One kilo of rhino horn can cost up to £45,000. The horn is now also being made into bangles and other status ornaments for the wealthy to show off with,” he says.
Nothing will curb poaching while the payoffs remain so high, says Stiles. “There is only one solution, kill demand. Convince consumers that rhino horn has no medicinal value whatsoever.” He says the use of horn as a status symbol “needs to be attacked forcibly by creating stigma, as with fur coats in the west”.”
“Public education is the key tool available to combat the traffickers’ business model, says Davin O’Regan, a wildlife trafficking expert at the Africa Centre for Strategic Studies.”
“O’Regan - “There is a lot of room for addressing these information gaps and legal misunderstandings, which should put a dent in rhino horn demand, its price, and eventually its supply via poaching.”
“O’Regan. “This is the same phenomenon we have seen in the overexploitation of world fishery populations, tigers, numerous bird species, and rare forest products. As these populations decline, the price for their parts increases. Consequently, as long as individual poachers have a financial incentive, they will pursue an animal to its extinction.”
Cam Steele 1,210 points
“Traffic spokesperson Dr Richard Thomas says engagement in Vietnam and China is still in its early stages. But encouraging initiatives have already emerged, including workshops with Vietnamese traditional medical practitioners and a deal with the world’s (and China’s) largest online trader Alibaba to stamp out illegal animal products.
Japan was once the world’s largest illegal ivory consumer but today barely features in illicit ivory trade. In the 1970s Yemen and South Korea were major rhino horn consumers, but again barely feature if at all. It’s all about changing what’s fashionable – and fashions will and do change”
“Dr Carlos Drews, director of WWF’s global species programme, says international crime gangs have overwhelmed South African conservation efforts. Killing on this scale shows how rhino poaching is being increasingly undertaken by organised criminal syndicates”
Albina Hume 4,650 points
Here's a great example of how legalized trade have helped to save the species.
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Wow, a bit late with the Vicuna's story? The sustainable concept worked in the 90's and has since back fired and been failing in the 21st century! Conservation and sustainable use advocates now admit that the very high dollar value the market has created for fleece has left the Vicuna being heavily poached, farmers attacked and living in fear by poaching gangs as the wild and farmed Vicuna are being shot and their dead bodies shorn for the fleece...
"Ecologist Cristian Bonacic, of Pontifical Catholic University of Chile, in Santiago, was at the forefront of developing best practice guidelines for sustainable, ethical use of vicuñas.
once again, poaching and illegal trading are threatening them.
Bonacic says that although inherent differences between rhinos and vicuñas mean that "sustainable" management practices of the two species would differ in detail, there are broad parallels between the two—and that lessons learned over the years with vicuñas apply to rhinos.
Speaking from his university office, Bonacic explains his recent shift away from the notion of sustainable use of wildlife, why a legal trade in vicuña wool has led to more—not less—poaching, and why he thinks a legal trade in rhino horn could be catastrophic for the species." Tho I did cover this earlier... Always remember if you dont know something - google can be your friend....

Reese Erlich: "The law mandates that vicunas can only be sheared by local communities. Indigenous amaras here sell the fiber for $200 a pound, a huge amount of money for these impoverished villagers, but those prices also attract poachers. Wilder Trejo, president of CONACS, says poaching has steadily increased since 2003, the result of worsening poverty."
The Los Angeles time ran an article 2 weeks ago. June 2015 - "Vicuña poaching is on the rise in South America. - The price of the soft wool from this endangered Andean camel has skyrocketed in Europe and Asia."

" Poachers return to the southern Andes killing thousands of vicuñas
enperublog.com October 16th, 2009
The silent massacres continue as fur poachers return to the southern Andes. Without mercy they kill and skin the endangered animals for their fur to smuggle to Argentina for sale on international markets. Lack of government protection of wilderness reserves leave locals without help.
The number of massacres carried out against these rare and beautiful animals have been on the increase in the past five years. Almost driven to extinction by more than 400 years of unrestricted hunting since the Spanish conquest, Peru undertook a massive drive in the 60s to protect their numbers and allow their population to recover. Severe penalties faced anyone caught killing a vicuña while rural populations were allowed to sheer the animals to sell for a living thus removing an incentive for illegal hunts.

Despite this, illegal criminal gangs continue to operate. Between 1995 and 2004 as many as 6,740 of the camelids were slaughtered"

IUCN
"Poaching of Vicuña and the Illegal Commercialization of its Fiber: a Persisting Problem
Three and a half decades after the signing of the Vicuña Convention, illegal hunting continues to be the primary threat to the species. According to the documentation submitted by the countries in attendance at the XXVII Technical Meeting of the Convention (La Paz, July 2014), in Bolivia alone at least 3,289 vicuñas were hunted illegally between 2008 and 2013, with an important domestic market for fiber and handcrafts. In Argentina, 149 illegal takes of vicuña were reported between 2012 and 2013, while in 2014 94 skins were seized. In Peru, 1,723 were reported killed for the period 2009-2013. In Chile, just during the first months of 2014, at least 49 dead vicuñas were found by patrols. As these data are based only on official reports, it can be assumed that the true number of hunted animals is significantly larger."

"Poachers Are Killing Andean Camels for Their Wool
To meet a growing demand for vicuña wool in Europe and Asia, gangs are massacring herds of the animals in South America.
By Helen Thompson
smithsonian.com
June 23, 2015
In May, Peruvian authorities found 150 vicuña carcasses outside a village called Espite in the Andes, Chris Kraul reports for the Los Angeles Times.
Inca rulers prized their soft, warm wool, and today coats made from vicuna wool can go for as much as US$21,000 and suits for US$46,000, as Dave Coggins wrote for the Wall Street Journal in 2013. Only silk seems to rival vicuña wool. But, this growing popularity is becoming a serious threat to wild populations and any humans trying to protect them." Legalized trade, a strong market and high prices are now failing the Vicuna tragically.......
Albina Hume 4,650 points
Why don't you save Vicuna then?
Kelly Pretorius 880 points
Ha Ha!! She actually shot herself in the foot by bringing in the Vicuna story. OMG I love it. Albina, seriously girl, quit while you're ahead, before you hurt yourself. The problem with you as I see it is this;  you are so one-track minded when it comes to demanding trade that you don't do any research of your own to either back up what you are claiming OR to counter what others are arguing with lol. You really do make me laugh. Did you never learn not to bring a knife to a gun fight? Also, I am pretty sure that your snide quip to Cam about saving Vicuna was a bad reaction to all the fact that he just slapped you between the eyes with. Shame man. I will ask him to try and go easy on you for a while, so that you have time to recover and come armed and ready with something educational to teach us all. We are waiting with anticipation. Tip of the day, if you really don't know, try Google. I highly recommend them. I am sitting on the edge of my seat wanting to know which video you are going to present us with next.
Cam Steele 1,210 points
I am very happy to help the Vicuna too and they will know I will never demand making a dollar out of them :)
Cam Steele 1,210 points
"our Rhinos are LOSING THIS WAR" Quite an amazing statement Ms Westerweel ! They are not losing the war - mankind is. Mankind has created the market. Mankind is conducting the slaughter. Mankind is financing the market. Mankind is trading the body parts. Mankind is the consumer. Rhino are the innocent victims of mankinds war! It is mankind fighting to keep supply of a barbaric market and dedicated people desperately trying to stop it! Or is that lost? The Chinese established sickening Tiger farms to supplement the illegal slaughter of wild Tiger for the manufacture of Tiger bone wine. Tiger farms have not benefited conservation and have not stopped the slaughter of wild Tiger. The exact same can be said of the equally barbaric Bear bile farms. Closing trade on Whale products has ensured we have whales and they have bounced back because of this.... China saved its own Giant Panda from almost certain extinction by banning and crushing trade, saving habitat, protection and strict enforcement. It has been the picture card of conservation for many years. They shut down trade, not stimulated it! [which is kind of ironic when it is they who are responsible for so much slaughter and destruction]. Here we are desperately trying to end demand and there are people out there trying to stimulate it and keep it ongoing and make a buck out of it! The insanity escapes me! An industry filled with corruption on a monumental scale and there are people out there who peer from under their mushroom and believe that their pro trade solution can operate within an industry dominated by international organized crime and corruption. I mean - come on smell the roses! I find it quite amazing the outlook some people have on this world. Mankind has hacked away at the wild world - carving up the lands into cities and towns - housing, industrial. recreational, roads, highways, agricultural, mining etc. Slaughtering and profiteering the entire way. Destroying the environs that these and many other great animals have existed in for thousands of years. Pushing them into ever decreasing pockets. Remnants of their original ranges. Pushed into ranges that erase migratory routes and often lands of poor quality to sustain wildlife. Populations fragmented without genetic diversity needed to keep species healthy. Mankind rapes and makes billions of dollars from the lands and when its time to give back, to take a stand and say - no more. We will, but its going to come at a cost. It must be economically sustainable for us to do it. Or you must financially contribute towards your life and my pocket. I am sickened to the core by the insanity and the pro trade movement. Take and take and take, one game after another, one agenda after another!!! I am no arm chair critic, I am in this fight to save Rhino every way I know how and doing all I can to stop trade is very much a part of it. Stop trade and we give rhino a chance. Stop trade and we give Elephant a chance.................. End trade, end the slaughter! While there is demand, death soon follows. Tackle corruption head on, make politicians accountable, demand nations harbouring consumers and financing the slaughter to contribute their end. Consider / press for sanctions against these nations who play the pivotal role in the global wildlife slaughter, instead of awarding them new business contracts. Consider departure taxes for international visitors that can aid funding conservation. Consider taxes to mining and property developing to aid in funding conservation. Pressure your Governments [all nations] tell China and Vietnam that the wildlife body part trade will not be tolerated. And if you cant get politicians to make a stand then do it by business. But stop the games. I have heard every excuse in the world out there. I have seen the insanity of political correctness, double standards, ego, arrogance, profiteering and blind stupidity at work. Enough is enough. Play hard ball... No more games! End trade........
–1 vote
Jun 27, 2015
Juliejulie 310 points
Ellen, if you really want to help rhinos, and elephants, try bringing one of the people on from one of the rhino or elephant orpanages, like allison thomson or someone from david scheldrick foundation. They do fantastic work.
–1 vote
Jun 27, 2015
Jane
Pro-trade are scratching around like chickens in a coop desperate for ways to convince the general public and policy makers that legalisation is necessary and beneficial to rhino and both counts are utter lies based on little more than generalised assumptions and a methodology from decades ago.

Both black and white rhino populations have increased under the ban (white rhino significantly, black modestly) but pro-trade advocates won't tell you for 16 consecutive years rhino populations increased year on year.  They won't tell you populations increased by 189% between 1993 and 2009.  The won't tell you that rhino poaching incidents remained negligible during this time either (poaching percentages 1990=0.19%, 1995=0.17%, 1997=0.06%, 2004=0.09%, 2005=0,01%, 2008=0.04%).  They won't tell you that since 2008, conviction rates have dropped significantly.  The DEA boast a 60% conviction rate of 1400 arrests but only 10% actually went to court, so only 140 were actually convicted between 2010 and Jan 2015.

They cant tell you how much they will sell the horns for and to who because they do not know.  They have underestimated the likelihood of a market explosion if trade were legalised.  They have underestimated the poaching syndicates and their actions (by the way Albina, where will the syndicates turn their attention to or do you think they will just retire on their profits and just go away?).  

Pro-trade is undermining genuine conservation efforts both in Africa and Asia.  Pro-trade is hampering the efforts of orgainsations working in Asia to curb demand by sending false messages to Asia that it is "ok" to use rhino horn.  Tell us please Albina, why do you want to sell rhino horn to the  very same scum who are slaughtering rhinos?  Why do you want to collude with the people who are decimating rhino populations and driving the species to extinction?  It ain't for the love of the rhino is it?  If you really want to keep up with the voices of the world then try listening to the ones who are NOT advocating lies, dishonesty and deceit and forget selling horn and starts saving rhinos!
–1 vote
Jul 2, 2015
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Very well said Jane and refreshing to see reality and statistics given.
Kelly Pretorius 880 points
Which is something the Pro traders have a serious lack of Cam
Jenna Davids 540 points
You should be ashamed of yourself, posting a tear-jerking video of your poor poached rhino, when your husband and by association, yourself are complicit in the rhino poaching crisis we have on our hands today. Deny all you want, but John Hume has blood on his hands and is directly responsible for breaking the ban and re-stimulating demand for trade. It is sickening that you can stoop to using rhino to try and make money. You are breeding thousands of rhino in the hope that CITES will lift the ban on trade, so that you can profit from it. God help every single rhino on your property, because they need protection from the likes of you. You should hang your head in shame.
–2 votes
Jun 26, 2015
Chris1 160 points
She is not killing them Janine, and Albina Asians don't want the horn of farmed rhinos, they want the horn of wild rhinos and that is why you and John with your desire to have the trade in rhino horn legalised so that your stockpile can be sold is putting more value on wild rhinos and they will be even more at risk of poaching.  Bringing horn on the market will fuel demand and there is no supply for it, not even with your 1.000 rhinos.  I am sure Ellen will understand, she is an animal lover
Kelly Pretorius 880 points
Absolutely Chris, and I am sure that selling body parts from animals will not sit well with Ellen, as she is a huge animal lover and I am pretty certain that she will see right through this poor attempt of the Pro trade lobby trying to gain momentum with an American audience. This whole video, under the pretence of wanting Ellen to see a woman living her dream, is distasteful and a stark reminder of the kind of people who use rhino to further their cause. Its shocking. Those poor rhino!
Jenna Davids 540 points
Albina my dear misinformed woman, I assure you that I understand extremely well. I have files on your husband. Know this.
Albina Hume 4,650 points
Dear Jenna Davids, you won a part in my next book! :)
Jenna Davids 540 points
Only on condition that I have a starring role Albina and I don't come cheap either. Beauty AND brains is a rare commodity.
anonymous
To bread Rhinos for their horns is not the correct way to go Albina's husband is making money out of a critically endangered specie, they are not protecting them. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HAPPEND IS THAT THE DEMAND WILL RISE FOR RHINO HORN. People need to be educated that Rhino horn is not medicine.
–2 votes
Jun 30, 2015
Albina Hume 4,650 points
Here's some important information-my husband don't make money from breeding and protecting rhinos. We SPEND own money to breed and save rhinos. Yet, a good job should be paid good. Nothing wrong with that!
As for educating people- yes, it's very essential! We have to educate the world that rhinos don't have to be killed for their horns, like we don't kill sheep to take the wool.
And finally, if someone wants to use rhino horn, let it be! But without taking rhinos' life- that's the main concern.
Jenna Davids 540 points
"Yet, a good job should be paid good. Nothing wrong with that!" LOL!! And you guys are not in it for the money? Thank you for this gem Albina, thank you for admitting to your real intention for breeding rhino, for the whole world to see. This is not about conservation then, this is about farming and breeding to make money, or "should be paid good" because after all, there is "nothing wrong with that" - classic!!!
Cam Steele 1,210 points
I too thank you Mrs Hume. I have waited a long time for the pro trade group to make a statement like this - "Yet, a good job should be paid good. Nothing wrong with that!" Thank you... Shared.
anonymous
This will never save the Rhino, as we know from all the research done into trading the poaching will continue despite de honing, the poaching will only STOP when the buying stops
–2 votes
Jul 1, 2015
Albina Hume 4,650 points
Demand for rhino horn does not killing the rhino. What's killing rhino is the method by which such demand is supplied!
Illegal trade supplies horn by poaching rhinos; legal trade offers horn without taking rhino's life. Change the law- Change the future.
Jenna Davids 540 points
Do you have children Albina? If you do, what if I told you that the Asian market is looking for a cure for halitosis and the only way they can cure it is by mincing up little fingers and toes of children, YOUR children, MY children, OUR children. Are you going to chop off their fingers and toes to supply an Asian market so that they don't get kidnapped from our homes, taken to a field, have their limbs chopped off and left to bleed to death? Does this sound ridiculous to you? You bet it does. Just as ridiculous as you wanting to supply this very same Asian market with rhino horn to cure hangovers and fever. Please stop talking, it's embarrassing!
Cam Steele 1,210 points
"Change the law change the future". Yes change the law for financial gain, legalizing and promoting a high value body part trade. A move which has ramifications not just for farmed Rhino, but all Rhino and all species of this earth caught up in the wildlife body part trade. What of the non farmed Rhino located in the reserves of Africa and Asia, these reserves which belong to the people and the animals within and not some wealthy businessman? Legalized trade is not going to ease trade and demand, it is going to increase it. Its not brain surgery to figure that one out. The poacher, gang and crime syndicates with their investment in firearms, some ammunition and an axe are going to sit back with their low investment in tools and pass up the opportunities to reap the rewards of an easy kill and supply a now stimulated high value market? An animal alive or dead means nothing to the illegal body part market and this is proven every single day. However suddenly the criminal world is to have a conscience? I have been on Rhino captures, have seen the risks involved with the very dangerous drugs used for immobilization and the risks of animals crashing thru or plummeting into dangerous terrain and this is to be done how many times of the animals life? However the pro trade will have you believe the process is like trimming a toe nail - Huh??? Every medical procedure comes with risks! Corruption and organised crime never even gets a mention in the pro trade agenda, yet they are very, very real dangers that are at work every minute of the day in the international body part industry. Never do they acknowledge the shocking Bear Bile Farms [they are not killed] or the equally shocking Tiger farms, which both supply traditional Chinese medicine and both have not assisted conservation and saving species at any point. In fact they have stimulated the slaughter of animals in the wild. It is interesting to note that the Vietnamese govt is finally making moves against the Bear bile farms and is shutting them down. The demand for Bear bile is falling. Bravo! There are many very dedicated people and groups working to reduce the Rhino horn trade in Vietnam and China. They are making inroads, their presence is being felt. Yet, attacking them from behind is a small, highly cashed up pro trade group who are working to undermine these positive gains and basically kick them and the Rhino in the guts! I have followed this topic on Ellen and quickly saw this is not just a pro trade agenda, it is much more. Ellen is being used as a platform to promote the Hume family wildlife business/farming agenda! The high level of posts from Hume friends attests to this.... Very poor! I am not a wealthy business man. I dont have the money to dedicate to wildlife conservation that I so wish i could. However i do donate when ever and where ever I can. Be it Rhino, Tiger, Lion, Elephant conservation and others. Very real money to me and I do it for the love of animals, my passion for this wild world. Never do I expect, desire or want a financial return on this and the thought disgusts me...
Jenna Davids 540 points
Just once, just this one single time, come up with a proper well thought up plan that you are going to implement to control the illegal market IF trade is made legal. (Which it never ever will be in a million years, but let's just humour you for five minutes.) IF you can come up with that, you will have the whole world sitting up and listening with bated breath. IF NOT, Albina, I implore you, please, for the sake of our rhino, PLEASE stop talking. You are killing them. Every time you send out a message to the Asian market that it is alright for them to demand our rhino parts to quench their thirst for their insane traditions and superstitions. And please, don't get me wrong, I am all for traditions, as we are a traditional species, but NOT at the expense of an animal. It really isn't alright. Let's do this rather, how about you give the Chinese your farm dogs and those little yappy things you have running around the house ******* on all the furniture. After all, it is a tradition for them to eat dog meat. Not only will you save yourself the expense of dog food, all those pesky vaccinations and vet bills, but hell, you will save your furniture too. I am sure your husband would be relieved. Tell them if they take all the dogs, you will throw in the cats for free. And don't worry, I am sure those Chinese people will tell them Mommy loved them before they put them in the pot. Its tradition you know. And don't worry about them Albina, I have a good friend over there who saves the dogs from those horrible traders and I will tell her to keep an eye out for your pets.
Derek 1,040 points
DEMAND REDUCTION vs. GREED & CORRUPTION MONSTER :

I should hope by now that most of us are becoming acutely aware of who's trying their level best to stop poaching - by trying to SAVE our Rhinos! - and who's doing their utmost to ACTIVELY OPPOSE all of our Anti-Trade attempts to do so, through Demand-Reduction initiatives & campaigns - to STOP the demand - and therefore the poaching!

Pro-traders are serving to OPPOSE DEMAND-REDUCTION & instead have opted, for profiteering reasons - to FEED the dragon - that DESTROYS OUR WORLD'S NATURE..!

Pro-trade is nothing but a theory. There is absolutely no way of knowing whether it would achieve less poaching, or the negative consequences of horn trade. Trade could further endanger the lives of our people, and put the country at a heightened security risk - as though this isn't already happening with crime! We keep upping our security measures and those costs keep rising - but has the crime rate reduced, as a result of our expenses?!! Not one tiny iota! Crime continues unabated. Criminals walk in, and walk out, every single day - as they do with poaching our Rhinos!

The thing with trade, is that with a projected heightened, security situation - with choppers routinely sortieing over multiple properties (as with our crime situation), what they're proposing to create (intentional or not) is a thoroughly stressful, though diluted war-zone situation across the country. I really don't think trade in horn bodes well for the country, private owners, game parks, or the Rhino in the wild - not to mention the rampant demand that trade creates!

This is seeking to destroy otherwise successful local, and worldwide - demand reduction campaigns, and initiatives - in order to make a killing ('scuse the pun) selling Rhino horn and so-called parts; the aiding, and abetting of poachers, criminals, syndicates, unscrupulous game farmers, hunters, and officials (unbridled greed and corruption). As we're seeing with elephant ivory - once that demand, and poaching reaches such levels - it becomes extremely difficult, and costly to stop, and almost impossible to reverse once established! For the sake of our Rhinos, elephants, pangolins, lions - and everything else - we have our moral duty to support demand reduction campaigns to the hilt; getting the word out there - that trading in Elephant tusks, Rhino horn, and animal 'parts' does nothing much - but EXPAND markets which DESTROYS wildlife, which INTENSIFIES poaching, which RAISES costs of our tourism, and our conservation. Ultimately - it puts our wildlife, our people, our livelihoods, our tourism, and our economy at risk!

We cannot afford the same fatal mistake with the Rhino as we did the Elephant (by selling ivory stocks), simply because they have a small single horn (compared to elephant), therefore the demand and losses would likely be severe, and plough through the animals more quickly. One thing's for sure - if trade is refused by Cites, we're destined to resolve this the old fashioned way - through anti-poaching, law enforcement, and demand reduction (Back to square one, but with less Rhinos in the kitty). This is why anti-traders are "gatvol" of pro-traders opposing all of our efforts to urgently and drastically - reduce the demand, for Elephant ivory, and Rhino horn!
–2 votes
Jul 2, 2015
anonymous
Shameless self promotion???  On the issue of trade in rhino horn I am sure that Ellen has the common sense to see through this propaganda and realize that there is a huge risk involved in selling animal parts for self enrichment and probably would never support such an unethical practice.
–3 votes
Jun 26, 2015
Caroline
Me thinks Albina Hume is only crying because the source of her revenue has gone - the horn, she is not crying for the rhino, just the horn. John Hume, by his own words, admitted to selling rhino horn (when there was a legal, internal trade within South Africa). And he knew the person he was selling to was going to be exporting that horn ILLEGALLY. Does that make him an accessory to a crime?
–3 votes
Jun 27, 2015
Kelly Pretorius 880 points
Thank you!! Even the Vietnamese are saying to legalize trade would be the end of a species. From the horses mouth!
anonymous
Here is the thing with John Hume, he is a breeder who wants rhino horn trade legalised so that he can make money. If the pro traders think that we will all roll over and let this happen they are in for a huge fight. The end user will always want the real thing from the wild, the only way to win the war is by cutting demand, more arms and better support for all the agencies involved in animal wildlife trafficking. We can win the fight but it won't be easy but hell we can give it our all.
–3 votes
Jun 27, 2015
anonymous
just like people who breed cows sheep horses goats chickens the people who breed these animals make money from it ...these animals mentioned above....arent gonna be extinct in a few years ....we will never stop the killing of the rhino we can keep talking all we like...the chinese and japanese know that the less there are of a animal the more money they can sell it for...and they will never stop until they are all gone then they will start with the next  and keep goin...give them the rhino horn and we are left with a rhino that stays alive...dont give them the rhino horn they will take it and we are left with a rhino thats dead
Chris
John and Albina Hume are no conservationists, they are investors and only in it for the money.  They have turned the iconic rhino species into ordinary cattle to trade with, to have them trophy-hunted when they are of no use anymore.  Because of their crazy, obsessive desire for money they are risking the lives of every rhino on this planet.
–3 votes
Jun 29, 2015
Janine Westerweel
In it for the money. Really? What money is that exactly? Do you know these people? Have you met them, spoken to them, seen their farms? Seen how much money is ploughed into breeding and protecting their Rhino, with NO RETURN except to know that their Rhino are content, safe and breeding? How many SOLDIERS John has to employ to protect his Rhino? Have you ever heard of, let alone seen, John trophy hunting one of his Rhino? Do you even have a clue about this subject or do you just like spewing rubbish and insults for the sake of it?  Far from "risking the lives of every Rhino on this planet", John Hume is probably the only person who will end up being able to show future generations these animals in the flesh! He is the biggest private Rhino breeder in the WORLD - and trust me, it's not for the love of money....
Jenna Davids 540 points
You DO mean how many soldiers John has to employ to protect his INVESTMENT right? I mean, let's be honest here for 5 minutes, if at all possible. Those rhino are his payday should CITES have a sudden rush of lurgy to the brain and lift the international ban on rhino horn trade. Did I mention International Ban? I'm sure I did.
Juliejulie 310 points
Ellen, if you do just a little research on the Humes you will avoid making a huge mistake and the backlash that would no doubt follow for helping these pro-trade monsters. They are the single biggest hurdle to saving these animals. They advocate praying on the ignorance in Asia and capitalizing on it at the expense of the rhino.  Effectively they are saying to the Asian people we think so much o you people that rather than educate you and prove rhino horn is ineffective medicine, we will instead take advantage of your ignorance, supply it to you at the animals expense, and capitalize on it, while at the same time increasing demand for it so we can grow our herd of deformed dehorned domesticated rhino-cattle. Please don't back this blatent attempt to justify their obviously bad intentioned position on rhino trade. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and for those of us that donate money to the cause rather than profit from it, it's easy to see how wrong this is on so many levels.
–4 votes
Jun 27, 2015
Cam Steele 1,210 points
Turning one of the worlds last great animals, our link to the prehistoric age into a farm animal. This is our answer! Oh boy are we deliberately trying to fail it! China and Vietnam are home to some of the highest economic growth in the world. These 2 nations have seen the greatest growth in global society’s middle and upper classes. China had 2,378,000 millionaire households in 2013, a rise of 82% from the previous year. Last year alone China created 40 000 more Millionaires. In 2013 Vietnam witnessed its first "publicly recognizable" home grown Billionaire. There are believed to be more, who shy from the spot light. Global financial growth CNBC March 2014- "Asia and emerging markets will drive much of the growth. The report said the country expected to see the fastest growth in millionaires is Vietnam, with a projected growth rate for $30 million-plus residents of 166 percent." The Middle Upper classes of these nations are driving the global demand for Rhino, Elephant, Tiger and Bear Body parts [to mention a few] and these nations are seeing explosive growth in people who can afford whatever they want! Instead of trying to seriously decrease and stop the trade, we have a bunch of people wanting to supplement it in the name of conservation. How in the hell is the world going to stop the slaughter if it stimulates trade??? I am thinking that the pro trade crowd either haven’t done their research or they have and they have seen the demand, the dollars on the table and immense profits that can be made. The few Rhino that exist on farms as farm animals bouncing in and out of tranquilizers may exist as the farm animal they become. The truly wild population of the national parks of Africa and Asia will be decimated!!! So the profiteers will have Rhino, but the public and nature will not!
Immense corruption across the entire trade route from local public servants, to politicians, to transport workers, customs people and even police and park workers, from Africa through to the end market in Asia. Organised crime syndicates, those that specialize in the drug and illegals firearm markets, human trafficking and prostitution are now entrenched in the Rhino and Elephant body part trades. AND people think that by stimulating trade, that they are going to be able to operate a legal market within this? I mean come on, pull the other one, it plays jingle bells... I read quotes from pro traders saying they will flood the market with legal horn. Define Flood??? We are talking how many millions of animals contributing horn? There are approx fewer than 28 000 Rhino of all species – globally! That is it…….. And the list of consumers is massive [hence demand]. Add to this the ever increasing wealth within nations consuming Rhino horn. Stimulating trade with a legal market says its ok to consume horn and it is legal to do so. How many more consumers enter the market each year and not just in China and Vietnam???  Demand exceeds supply that is a no brainer! You have created an out of control monster that will erase the last wild Rhino in every continent on earth, endanger those “farmed” and the lives of people who are perceived a threat to the industry
As an aside I never see any mention of Tranquilizers, which in the wrong hands or mis-judged are not only fatal to Rhino, they very obviously kill man. M99 is 1000 to 80 000 times more potent than morphine! Every situation that requires tranquilizer is a risk. I have been on KZN Rhino captures I know the risks and danger... I remember a number of years ago, there was a push to market "Green Hunts" where animals, in particular Rhino were darted by high paying "green hunters" in the name of conservation. Then they found that some animals were being rotated back through the system and darted several times, not for conservation, but for a dollar. Veterinarian’s raised the alarm of the risks of tranquilizing animals for fun. I remember back in 2012 a Rhino named Spencer was tranquilized in an anti poaching demo in front of journalists and camera crews by industry experts. He died! The risks are there each and every time sedation is undertaken. As I gather Rhino have not evolved into self shedding their horn and I know they don't stand there for you to saw them off, they will have to be tranquilized. AND now we are talking on a mass scale...

I am sick to death of this Pro trade agenda and the divisiveness it instils. As if we are not all spread thin enough.  And the damn games? Are a waste of resource’s and time. Both so highly valued and in demand. Why we are not unified in reducing and hopefully ending demand is totally beyond comprehension…
–4 votes
Jun 27, 2015
anonymous
we will never win this war to save the rhino...government needs to stop talking...because talking does nothing to save the rhino...we will never win the fight on the ground because there is no army fighting the war only people that put there life on the line everyday and get no help or funding from the government...give them what they want and have a rhino thats alive...but no....we let them take what they want and give us a dead rhino
–5 votes
Jun 28, 2015